<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Heating &#8211; Propane Vs Oil</title> <atom:link href="http://www.homeconstructionimprovement.com/heating-propane-vs-oil/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.homeconstructionimprovement.com/heating-propane-vs-oil/#utm_source=rss&#038;utm_medium=rss&#038;utm_campaign=heating-propane-vs-oil</link> <description>Expert Home Improvement Advice</description> <lastBuildDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 13:33:24 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: Todd</title><link>http://www.homeconstructionimprovement.com/heating-propane-vs-oil/#comment-62879</link> <dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 19:33:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://localhost/test/2007/10/heating-propane-vs-oil/#comment-62879</guid> <description>Thanks again for sharing in the conversation. That&#039;s what this site is all about. We all have plenty to offer and as with anything there are lots of choices out there.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks again for sharing in the conversation. That&#8217;s what this site is all about. We all have plenty to offer and as with anything there are lots of choices out there.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Andy</title><link>http://www.homeconstructionimprovement.com/heating-propane-vs-oil/#comment-62878</link> <dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:32:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://localhost/test/2007/10/heating-propane-vs-oil/#comment-62878</guid> <description>Yes, I would agree that radiant heating systems are the ideal situation for installing propane modcon boilers because they can deliver effective heating with lower water temps-- exactly the sweet spot to gain the benefits of modcon efficiency.There was a period lasting a few weeks during which I had convinced myself to move to a propane system with a nice little modcon boiler.  That abruptly ended when I realized that our house was somewhat under-baseboarded and we&#039;d have to run the system at 180 degrees except for when temps were above 40 degrees or so.If your situation is such that your house cannot efficiently take advantage of a condensing boiler, then propane becomes a tough sell, at least at the pricing levels here in southern NH.BTW, I&#039;ve been enjoying this site-- lots of interesting content!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I would agree that radiant heating systems are the ideal situation for installing propane modcon boilers because they can deliver effective heating with lower water temps&#8211; exactly the sweet spot to gain the benefits of modcon efficiency.</p><p>There was a period lasting a few weeks during which I had convinced myself to move to a propane system with a nice little modcon boiler.  That abruptly ended when I realized that our house was somewhat under-baseboarded and we&#8217;d have to run the system at 180 degrees except for when temps were above 40 degrees or so.</p><p>If your situation is such that your house cannot efficiently take advantage of a condensing boiler, then propane becomes a tough sell, at least at the pricing levels here in southern NH.</p><p>BTW, I&#8217;ve been enjoying this site&#8211; lots of interesting content!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Todd</title><link>http://www.homeconstructionimprovement.com/heating-propane-vs-oil/#comment-62877</link> <dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:09:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://localhost/test/2007/10/heating-propane-vs-oil/#comment-62877</guid> <description>Like I said, you can spin the numbers in many different ways and get different outcomes. Price isn&#039;t the issue as you can find examples on and off historically showing that one fuel or the other is cheaper.We use lots of condensing boilers up here because there&#039;s so much radiant heat being installed. That runs a much lower water temperatures which makes those systems more efficient.Thanks for all the input on an interesting conversation.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I said, you can spin the numbers in many different ways and get different outcomes. Price isn&#8217;t the issue as you can find examples on and off historically showing that one fuel or the other is cheaper.</p><p>We use lots of condensing boilers up here because there&#8217;s so much radiant heat being installed. That runs a much lower water temperatures which makes those systems more efficient.</p><p>Thanks for all the input on an interesting conversation.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Andy</title><link>http://www.homeconstructionimprovement.com/heating-propane-vs-oil/#comment-62875</link> <dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:07:50 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://localhost/test/2007/10/heating-propane-vs-oil/#comment-62875</guid> <description>Todd,The U.S. Energy Information Administration says heating oil has 138,690 BTUs per gallon.The U.S. Dept. of Energy says a gallon of propane has 91,330 BTUs.If you accept these numbers, then heating oil has 51.8% more BTUs than propane.  Put another way, a gallon of propane has 65.8% of the BTUs in a gallon of heating oil.Also, (and I don&#039;t mean to be annoying on this point), but it is a rare homeowner who will actually get (%% efficiency from a propane modcon boiler.  You&#039;d have to operate consistently in condensing mode, which would be impossible for any house with conventional fin-tubed baseboard, unless the installer put in at least twice the amount that is typical.I called around and can&#039;t find propane any cheaper than $2.89 in our area.  Oil is $3.59. So I did some math based on all these numbers:1200 gal of oil = 1200 * $3.59 + $4,308 at 100% efficiency, plus 15% extra for an 85% efficient boiler = $4,9541200 gallons propane * 1.518 to get equal BTUs = 1,821 gallons @ $2.89 = $5,263 and added 10% (realistic annual efficiency of a 95% efficient modcon boiler would be about 90%)= $5,789So propane would cost $835 more per year... or be 16.8% more expensive.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd,</p><p>The U.S. Energy Information Administration says heating oil has 138,690 BTUs per gallon.</p><p>The U.S. Dept. of Energy says a gallon of propane has 91,330 BTUs.</p><p>If you accept these numbers, then heating oil has 51.8% more BTUs than propane.  Put another way, a gallon of propane has 65.8% of the BTUs in a gallon of heating oil.</p><p>Also, (and I don&#8217;t mean to be annoying on this point), but it is a rare homeowner who will actually get (%% efficiency from a propane modcon boiler.  You&#8217;d have to operate consistently in condensing mode, which would be impossible for any house with conventional fin-tubed baseboard, unless the installer put in at least twice the amount that is typical.</p><p>I called around and can&#8217;t find propane any cheaper than $2.89 in our area.  Oil is $3.59. So I did some math based on all these numbers:</p><p>1200 gal of oil = 1200 * $3.59 + $4,308 at 100% efficiency, plus 15% extra for an 85% efficient boiler = $4,954</p><p>1200 gallons propane * 1.518 to get equal BTUs = 1,821 gallons @ $2.89 = $5,263 and added 10% (realistic annual efficiency of a 95% efficient modcon boiler would be about 90%)= $5,789</p><p>So propane would cost $835 more per year&#8230; or be 16.8% more expensive.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Todd</title><link>http://www.homeconstructionimprovement.com/heating-propane-vs-oil/#comment-62873</link> <dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 15:00:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://localhost/test/2007/10/heating-propane-vs-oil/#comment-62873</guid> <description>I guess we&#039;ll have to agree to disagree on the actual BTU comparison. I contend that oil is 130,000 BTU per gallon while propane is 95,000 which is a ratio of 1.36.Using your pricing:1200 gallons of oil = 1200 * $3.59 = $4,308 assuming 100% efficiency. Now add 15% to get to an 85% efficient boiler and you&#039;ll be at $4,9541200 gallons of propane * 1.36 to get equal BTU&#039;s = 1,632 gallons. 1,632 * $2.92 = $4,765. Now add 5% to get to a 95% efficient boiler and you&#039;ll be at $5,004.This is based on your pricing. Where I&#039;m at oil is running in the $3.75 range and propane last week was $2.75.The point here is pricing is a wash in my cases. Always has been. If you look at BTU&#039;s per dollar they are extremely competitive with each other. Price isn&#039;t the issue at all.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess we&#8217;ll have to agree to disagree on the actual BTU comparison. I contend that oil is 130,000 BTU per gallon while propane is 95,000 which is a ratio of 1.36.</p><p>Using your pricing:</p><p>1200 gallons of oil = 1200 * $3.59 = $4,308 assuming 100% efficiency. Now add 15% to get to an 85% efficient boiler and you&#8217;ll be at $4,954</p><p>1200 gallons of propane * 1.36 to get equal BTU&#8217;s = 1,632 gallons. 1,632 * $2.92 = $4,765. Now add 5% to get to a 95% efficient boiler and you&#8217;ll be at $5,004.</p><p>This is based on your pricing. Where I&#8217;m at oil is running in the $3.75 range and propane last week was $2.75.</p><p>The point here is pricing is a wash in my cases. Always has been. If you look at BTU&#8217;s per dollar they are extremely competitive with each other. Price isn&#8217;t the issue at all.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Andy</title><link>http://www.homeconstructionimprovement.com/heating-propane-vs-oil/#comment-62872</link> <dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 14:11:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://localhost/test/2007/10/heating-propane-vs-oil/#comment-62872</guid> <description>Todd- I priced propane a few weeks ago here in the Nashua area and it was $2.92/gallon if you bought at least 1200 gallons a year.  Oil was $3.59 at the time.Since it requires 1.53 gallons of propane to yield the same number of BTUs as a gallon of oil, that means you&#039;d have to buy $4.46 worth of propane vs. $3.56 of oil.Even if you allow that propane can burn 10% more efficiently than oil using a mod con, that still means that $3.59 worth of oil is the same as $4.02 of propane. So propane would be at least 11% more expensive.But if you don&#039;t get that full extra 10 percent of efficiency or buy less than 1200 gallons of propane a year (and have to pay more per gallon), it becomes even more expensive.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd- I priced propane a few weeks ago here in the Nashua area and it was $2.92/gallon if you bought at least 1200 gallons a year.  Oil was $3.59 at the time.</p><p>Since it requires 1.53 gallons of propane to yield the same number of BTUs as a gallon of oil, that means you&#8217;d have to buy $4.46 worth of propane vs. $3.56 of oil.</p><p>Even if you allow that propane can burn 10% more efficiently than oil using a mod con, that still means that $3.59 worth of oil is the same as $4.02 of propane. So propane would be at least 11% more expensive.</p><p>But if you don&#8217;t get that full extra 10 percent of efficiency or buy less than 1200 gallons of propane a year (and have to pay more per gallon), it becomes even more expensive.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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